Have we reached the point where our impact on the atmosphere is causing so much imbalance that it's improbable that any efforts to curb it will be useful?

Humans are part of the ecosystem just like anything else on the planet, however, we are the only ones (as far as we know) that are cognizant of the impact that we make. Even with efforts to fight the drastic change in climate and atmosphere, are we now or soon coming to a point where our efforts to save ourselves and the planet would take too long to work, thus causing our own demise?

  Topic Climate Subtopic Global Warming Tags climate science earth science humanity existentialism
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  1. Daniel Dvorkin 10 Community Answer

    We can't return to where we were before we started burning fossil fuels, nor should we try. We're not doomed to baking to death, either, if we pay attention.


    There is no way to know, exactly, what's going to happen over the next century or so if we stay on our current course. We have a pretty good idea, though, and contrary to denialist propaganda, projections from decades ago are remarkably accurate in predicting the current global average temperature. If they have a common flaw, it's that they were slightly too optimistic: we're about half a degree Celsius, a degree Fahrenheit, warmer than Hansen et al. projected in the 1980s. That's not a degree in your house, or your city, or even your country. That's everywhere, all the time.

    That's the difference between a glacier staying solid, or melting. That's the difference between this year's crop barely succeeding, or barely failing. That's the difference between your house making it through the flood, or being condemned for irreparable damage. That's the difference between getting just enough to eat, or slow inevitable starvation.

    No proposed solution to climate change will solve the problem. The world is getting warmer, and it will keep getting warmer, and bad things will happen. We're locked in for that.

    Wearing your seatbelt won't keep you from getting in a crash, either. You'll still be a whole lot better after the wreck with your seatbelt than you would have been without it.

    Everything we can do to reduce greenhouse emissions (or capture the greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere) a little bit ... will help, a little bit. Maybe it will matter by a tenth of a degree, or a hundredth. That's the difference between billions of people's lives, and millions, and thousands. Which would you prefer?

    Total human extinction is unlikely. We're a weed species, tough and adaptable: our ancestors colonized practically every environment, on every continent except Antarctica, back when stone hand axes were the height of technology. I'm pretty sure we can do better than that now. That doesn't say anything about any individual person's chance of making it through, or any particular people's. Equally unlikely—in fact more so; it's flat-out impossible—is that we keep going on the current course, farming more land and pulling more fish out of the sea to sustain an ever-growing population, building more houses and roads and cars and everything else we can think of, and powering the whole thing with oil and coal.

    So between those two extremes, what can happen? Here are the options I see, in descending order of desirability:


    1. We get our act together on a global scale, with massive worldwide investments in wind, solar, nuclear, and biofuels to wean ourselves off fossil fuels as much as possible. Maybe geothermal, tidal, etc. around the fringes: there's your hundredth of a degree. We sustain something like our current population—if there's a decline, it's slow and by choice, not catastrophic and completely out of our hands—and start working on ways to undo some of the other damage we've done. The fossil record looks like the late Devonian, the least severe of the Big Five mass extinctions. Good for us, I guess.
    2. Some countries do what's described in item 1, while others make token efforts. This is a crash-landing, which is better than a crash. Most of the people on board walk away. But it's still pretty ugly, a World War level of destruction. Famine and plague are once again regular occurrences everywhere on the planet, and war for resources looks like an attractive option to many. Death says, "Not bad, I'll take what I can get." Extinction levels are comparable to the end-Ordovician or end-Triassic. The biosphere is recognizable in the aftermath, just.
    3. Some countries make token efforts while others engage in gleeful, deliberate "you can't tell me what to do" destruction. Denialists keep screeching while they drown. Lots of everyone else drowns too, if they don't starve first. Human population stabilizes at a billion, maybe, about where we were before the industrial age really got rolling; both the physical and political maps look very different in the aftermath. Comparable to the K-Pg extinction, with humanity playing the part of the Big Rock, and just as instantaneous in terms of deep time.
    4. Any efforts anyone makes at all are just overwhelmed. Human population crashes by a factor of a thousand, maybe more, along with the population of everything else: it's another Great Dying, and it only took 250 million years for the sequel. The survivors won't forget where they came from, but it's an open question what they'll be able to do about it. All those far-post-apocalypse After The Fall fantasy novels, with bits of surviving technology in the place of magic? Yeah, like that.


    We're more or less at 3 right now, but you can see 2 from here; say 2.8, something like that. You can also see 4, of course. I think 1 isn't entirely out of reach, but I'm not holding my breath. (High CO2 makes that more difficult, you know.) And I'm pretty strict in what I judge as "token." Any attempt that doesn't include nuclear falls into that category, for example, along with biofuels to keep the oil-based infrastructure running at least in the medium term.

    The point is, it's a continuous scale, not a discrete one. Any outcome anywhere along it, from the absolute best to the absolute worst, is possible. And anything better than the worst is still a worthy goal. Any change, no matter how small—climbing from 2.8 to 2.6, or holding the line at 3.3 instead of 3.4—represents a massive difference in the amount of suffering.

    We can't solve the problem completely. We can make things a little less terrible. Seems like it ought to be worth a try.

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